Beard? Dark Skull Cap? Updated… A Nutcase.
FINAL UPDATE. It looks like this guy was just another nut. He left a posting on the Net in between church attacks that was an almost perfect copy of the insane scrawl left behind by the Columbine killer in 1999. The only real difference was changing the names of students for “Christians”. He went into a rage from being rejected by the missionary school, and never came back out of it.
Possibly his appearance was a deliberate effort to look like a muslim terrorist, possibly it was just a fluke. We may never know and it doesn’t matter now anyway.
UPDATE to this mornings story… A gunman with the same description as the one who earlier killed two people at a Christian missionary school has been killed in the act of shooting up the New Life Church in Colorado Springs today (Sunday), killing one person and wounding four others. No word yet on the motive.
Two young missionaries-in-training were killed early today and two more were wounded when a gunman burst into a residence hall at the Youth With a Mission center in the Denver suburb of Arvada, then took off on foot. A canine search failed to track him down.
Youth With a Mission is an evangelical Christian group that trains people to be missionaries overseas. The residence hall was on the Faith Bible Chapel Campus of the group.
The gunman, described by witnesses as a white male in his twenties with a beard and eye glasses, wearing a dark skull cap and jacket, remained at large.
“Beard and dark skull cap” sure sounds like a muslim. He may have been a muslim attacking Christians. This has all the signs of a muslim acting out what his beloved Koran tells him to do, which is kill and terrorise Christians. If so, this at least isn’t an organized terror attack, just one more nutjob muslim acting like a muslim after hearing his local imam preach hatred against Christians and the United States over at his local mosque.
Maybe not, after all, they haven’t caught this guy yet, but if so then it’s one more tragic wake-up call to America.
December 9th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Hmm. Seems a bit premature on that conclusion Rasta. He also sounds Jewish or could be anyone really.
Some of those Evangelicals are pretty nutjob themselves in my view. Maybe it was me wot done it. I am thinking of starting a fanatical atheist cult that goes round beheading people for sins against rationalism, like reading their horoscope or not walking under ladders. Why should Muslims have all the fun?
December 9th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Off topic post number 30,215
I have recently noticed two or three not exactly pro Islam blogs, eg this one:-
http://www.snappedshot.com/archives/1372-Muhammed-Bear.html
have ads for a Muslim dating agency. I thought at first it was some sort of joke but seems not. Lots of Muslims must head here to seeth, so maybe you are missing out on some ad revenue, Halal gobstoppers, automatic Mecca facing lavvies for camper vans etc.
December 9th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Yep, it may well be premature, which is why I said “if” and “maybe not”. The circumstances are suspicious, which is why I posted this.
Granted it could also be a Jew on a rampage against Christians, although that would be a first in my lifetime of living in America, or it could be someone pretending to be either a Jew or a Muslim. It’s the unknowns here that caused me to post on this, more than the knowns.
I do like your idea of starting a new fanatical cult. How about one which demands that all other fanatical cults must be destroyed violently? That would be cool. It could be atheist and still work out, look as Scientology.
December 9th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
hiya Rasta..what a tragedy eh..but dont expect MSM to ever tell u the truth if it turns out to be a Musssssssslim..there will be 15 other euphimisms!:)
December 10th, 2007 at 11:18 am
Yeh know you didn’t say definite. But plain nutters come in all sorts and it could just be that.
At risk of being jumped on by the right to carry guns republicans again I think you make it too easy to get guns in the US. Sure, criminals will get them anyway, but they mostly shoot each other. It is the unbalanced misfits who go out and shoot a whole bunch of strangers and they mostly would not have the contacts to find guns if they were illegal.
PS If I make it worth your while could you send me an assault rifle to take care of my next door neighbour? Can’t get one round here.
December 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
My condolences to all of you bigots. Unfortunately, the killer has been identified and he’s not Muslim. I know that greatly upsets you (more so than the actual killings), but I’m sure you’ll get through it just fine.
December 10th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Thank you, Fadi. Hmm. “Fadi”. That sounds Middle-Eastern. You by any chance a muslim? Talk about bigots, you muslims are the worst of all with your “Kill the infidels” crap.
You are utterly WRONG, but what the Hell, you are a muslim. The truth is that the shooters religious preferences haven’t been ascertained as yet, and anyone with an I.Q. above 35 would suspect a bearded shooter with a black skullcap to be a muslim.
If he should turn out to some other faith, I will post that fact. Unlike you Islamics, we speak truth here.
Oh, and check out this Jew-hating little pricks Islam-loving, Jew-hating website. Talk about BIGOTS!
December 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
There you are Rasta. What did I tell you? If you had taken my advice you might have got another 50 cents due to Fadi’s click through on the Muslim dating site.
That’ll be another $50 please. You can’t to receive expect the enormous wisdom of xoggoth for nothing you know.
December 10th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Hey kids, thanks for responding and validating my point. Again, my condolences to you bunch of bigots. I ask of you to continue posting your juvenile comments to show us all how brilliant you kids are! At least you guys wont deny that you’re racist, it’s interesting how proud you are of being racist.
December 10th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Not sure Fadi’s site is all that extreme or even especially Islamic but anti Israel – most certainly.
What I would genuinely like to know from Fadi and other Arabs, while I agree there are injustices perpetrated by Israel today (e.g. that wall and the way they deprive Arabs of land after a period of absence) what exactly has caused the total Arab opposition to the existence of Israel from its very inception? Why was a mere 6% of the land from the Ottoman empire allocated to the Jews too much for you, that you had to wage war after war from the very start? You rail about injustice of Palestinian refugees while conveniently ignoring the truth that Arab areas drove out Jews in similar numbers.
As a complete outsider with, I admit, little or no knowledge of the prior history, I would be genuinly interested in hearing a reasoned Arab argument for opposition to the very existence of Israel. As a person blessed with no convictions whatever, I change my mind all the time. Convince me.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
No reasoned argument? Oh well.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
“Why was a mere 6% of the land from the Ottoman empire allocated to the Jews too much for you, that you had to wage war after war from the very start?”
Anybody would be opposed to such a sacrifice. Would you have minded if a Jewish state was created on New Jersey, at the expense of the natives of New Jersey? Perhaps you or I would not have minded because there is so much land in America; but I’m quite certain the natives of New Jersey would have something to say about that.
I don’t think the Palestinian native’s opposition to Israel’s existance is that unusual. If you ask a refugee to accept the state that forced his exile (a forced exile necessary for that state’s existance), I think the obvious response would be refusal. Of course, I do not support the expulsion of Jews from the territory (the vast vast vast majority of whom are immigrants/foreigners to the land, or their offspring). But this idea of a religious or ethnic state on a religiously/ethnically plural territory is untennable (Zionists know this, that’s why there was a push for expulsion in favor of a homogenous territory since the time of Israel’s inception). I can only speak for myself here, but this Palestinian supports peace through coexistance, and the elimination of this ideology of ethnic/religious supremacy… I believe in a U.S.-styled secular democracy: one man, one vote, one state – irrespective of religion or ethnicity.
As for the rest of you kids on this blog, you can learn something from xoggoth. I know you have all these wonderfully CRAZY ideas on Muslims, but you know what’s a better idea… actually trying to learn a thing or two about the cultures and peoples you so obsess about. I will admit, I take much amusement from your insane rants and theories (particularly because I’m intimately exposed to Islam, Muslims, and Arabs); for your own sake, READ… LEARN SOMETHING.
December 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
“No reasoned argument? Oh well.”
I wasn’t aware that you were timing me.
December 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
The Jews lived in Israel for several thousand years before the muslims came in and committed genocide on them.
The United Nations allocated a much larger land area for the state of Israel than the Jews actually took.
The land taken from the Arabs by the Jews was spoils of war. The Arabs seem to have no problem taking land and keeping it as spoils of war, so why should anyone else? All of Europe and all of both Americas are spoils of war. Stop your whining about that. It’s very hypocritical.
The Jews did not force the exile of the Arabs living in the area. They were encouraged to leave by Arab leaders in Syria and Egypt, if my memory of which Arabs states is correct, because they were told that the Jews would all be killed and then they could go back and own the place. The Egyptians and Syrians were obviously wrong and if they had any balls they would have incorporated the displaced Arabs into their own societies. Problem is, they DIDN’T WANT THEM and the Israelis allowed many of them to come back in. Where the Hell do you think all those refugee camps, so called, came from? Stop re-writing history here. I’ve had about enough of you.
Islam is not a race. The race card doesn’t play here. We all know that Islam is a religion practiced by all races, the same as Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and all the others.
Every time I see some idiot yelling RACISM, RACISM whenever Islam is attacked, then I know there can be no further dialogue because I’m talking to another murderous and totally immoral fanatic and sociopath.
If you wish further dialogue here, you will make a decent attempt at truth. Otherwise, future comments of yours will be deleted and you will be banned. This is not a forum for spreading lies.
December 10th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Oh, and Xoggoth. The very thought of having Islamic ads on my blog positively makes my pubic hairs uncurl.
Let’s get back to starting a fanatical cult filled with maniacs who are guaranteed an endless supply of muslims to repeatedly behead in Paradise for dying in the act of killing them off in life. I really like that one.
December 10th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
FADI: Actually, the reports today stated “we do not know the religion of the shooter”. Therefore you are incorrect, so far. We do know that he hated Christians, that he wore a skull cap, and that the MISSION OF THE RELIGIOUS TRAINING CENTER WAS ….. are you ready for it???
To minister to MUSLIMS.
December 11th, 2007 at 4:36 am
Ok, decent argument Fardi, not timing you, it was bedtime over here.
Not sure that occupation of New Jersey is an entirely accurate parallel as the current Middle Eastern countries of that area did not actually exist at the time. From my recollection (some time since I read about it) there was a large area containing mostly Arabs but also many Jews. I don’t think the popular notion that almost all the Israelis were refugees from Europe is accurate. Let’s not forget that the area has also been the traditional Jewish homeland for Millenia too.
It was a bad situation, pity Turks/British/whoever have to occupy other people’s countries in the first place, but given the tensions that existed a partition that separated the two cultures looked the best of a bad job to me, but it was never given a chance.
I used to be pro Palestinian myself a few years ago but think it was the failure of Hamas and others to even cease the bombing for a few months when there was the best possibility of peace during the Clinton era. What harm would it have done to try? Whatever the background to any conflict sooner or later people have to be realistic and negotiate but Hamas and others refuse to even consider the possibility of a Jewish state existing and while that unreasonable stance exists I see no reason why the US or anyone else should be using influence to help bring about a Palestinian state.
I don’t really understand the point about an ethnically plural state, you make it sound like it would be a tolerant democracy. Hardly likely under Hamas and the like, Every Arab country in the Middle East is Islamic, with very significant limitations on practice by other creeds. Check out the laws on the net. Why on earth should the Jews be expected to submit themselves to that? Why should they not have the same right to a state based on their own religion as other Middle Eastern countries have?
December 11th, 2007 at 4:40 am
PS I still reckon the bloke will turn out to be an indiscriminate nutcase. We should have a bet on it.
December 11th, 2007 at 11:13 am
“But this idea of a religious or ethnic state on a religiously/ethnically plural territory is untennable.”
Yet every single ISLAMIC STATE, without exception, was created by murdering the non-muslims of the area and subjugating the few who remained alive, and they’re STILL DOING IT. So what you mean is A JEWISH STATE is untenable in a religiously/ethnically plural territory.
See. It’s this kind of utter moronic crap where you muslims and Jew-haters always look stupid to the world. You prattle the Party Line in utter disregard of what we all know. I guess you must be hoping for the occasional uneducated person of low intelligence to suck it up. No one else does. Why do you keep it up? Are you all really that rabid and stupid?
No one goes for this stuff anymore. You need to chart a new course.
December 11th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Too serious. To lower the tone again.
On the ad thing, it seems that with google ads, one places an advert and the google searchy thing automatically sticks them on relevant websites that have signed up to receive them. “AdSense for content automatically crawls the content of your pages and delivers ads (you can choose both text or image ads) that are relevant to your audience and your site content”
Hmmm, hence you get Islamic dating agencies on anti-Islamic sites based on a dim word search algorithm. So don’t sign up for google ads Rastaman or your site will be stuffed with ads for halal foods etc etc.
I thought it was amusing anyway. We are easily pleased.
December 11th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Hooray, a general nutcase. I win. You all owe me $50.
December 11th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Okay. Just deduct it from your next offering at my altar. Or maybe bring less frankincense and myrrh next time.