20 Responses to “Conspiracy Theories”

1. Debbie Says:
   July 21st, 2007 at 8:37 pm

   Fair enough. A good article. There are TRUE conspiracy theories, which have no basis in fact. Example, the US government bombed the World Trade Towers on September 11, 2001 and they bombed the Pentagon, there was no plane that flew into the Pentagon. Those are what I call conspiracy theories.

   Then there are truths, that people choose to lie about. Those are not conspiracies, if they are true.

   Yes there are lots of things that go on all around the world, that people deny or lie about. Those are not what I consider conspiracies.

   Maybe it’s all in the definition.

   If we consider attempts to cover up the truth a conspiracy, then I believe in conspiracy theories also. But remember, a ‘theory’ is just that, theory. Not truth.

   One man/woman’s truth, another man’s conspiracy?

2. Rastaman Says:
   July 21st, 2007 at 11:53 pm

   The legal definition of a conspiracy is when two or more people discuss a plan. It doesn’t have to be something illegal, merely some plan or scheme that two or more people conspire to commit. It could be a surprise birthday party plan. Conspiracies are the product of conspiring.

   Theories are ways of explaining events when known facts are inadequate or lacking.

   A conspiracy theory comes about when someone sees a connection, real or imagined, between different events, such as the outing of Valerie Plame followed by various lies by Bush, Rove and Libby, and connects the dots to form a theory that Carl Rove and probably G.W. Bush were involved in her outing, and that it was deliberate revenge.

   Since Bush has refused to release the documents on this and Cheney protects Rove by declaring his office to be “not part of the Executive Branch of government any more”, this remains an unproven theory.

   Conspiracy theories are not all Moon Vapors. Many theories are valid, they just stay theories until they can be proven.

3. jordon Says:
   July 21st, 2007 at 11:54 pm

   So…………… A couple of blogs back, I introduced the Carlyle group, and gave several links.
   http://islamanazi.com/2007/07/17/searching-for-mister-doright/

   Fully exploring those links, and others from them would have revealed a lot.
   I would draw your attention to the following passages
   Aired on KPFA 94.1 FM, Berkeley, CA Friday, October 12, 2001

   “go back to 1947, we look at Clark Clifford, who wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s. He was given the design for the CIA by John Foster and Allen Dulles, two brothers: John Foster becoming Secretary of State, Allen becoming director of Central Intelligence, who was fired by John Kennedy. They were partners in what is until this day the most powerful law firm on Wall Street: Sullivan Cromwell. Bill Casey, the legendary CIA director from the Reagan/Iran Contra years, had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange commission under Ronald Reagan. He, in fact, was a Wall Street lawyer and a stockbroker. I’ve already mentioned Dave Doherty, the Vice President of NYSE [New York Stock Exchange] who is the retired CIA general counsel. George Herbert Walker Bush is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation, very influential on Wall Street. “Buzzy” Krongard is there. John Deutsch, the former CIA director, who retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, is now on the board of Citibanc or Citigroup. And his number three, Nora Slatkin, the Executive Director at CIA is also at Citigroup. And Maurice “Hank” Greenburg, who is the chairman of AIG insurance, which is the third largest investment pool of capital in the world, was up to be the CIA director in 1995 and Bill Clinton declined to nominate him. So there is an inextricable and unavoidable relationship between CIA and Wall Street.”

   That statement is an eye opener.
   BCCI was an islamic bank from Pakistan, dedicated to the financing of terrorism, and the financial/poltical corruption of western politicians, and it was promoted by Clark Clifford, who wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International
   Now, googling around, (it helps if you know what to look for, (smile))reveals the following.
   http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html
   http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,877668,00.html
   I shit you not!!!
   So , I would say that BCCI was successful in its un-stated aims.
   Google around some more and you will be amazed at the names and connections!!!!!!!!!!

   To cut to the chase, US, and other agencies were warning the UK Bank of England for many years about the activities of BCCI.

   In summary, when it was finally closed it was found to be a birds eye view of global terrorist money transfers from whom, to whom, how much, when, and what for. The resulting report is still subject to the Official Secrets Act in the UK. What actions resulting from the findings, relating to terrorist funding/individuals/organisations, etc, etc, is pathetically little.

   Another passage that may have been overlooked is:-
   “On September 29, The San Francisco Chronicle reported that investors had yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept 11 terrorist attacks.”……
   [….]

   The securities and exchange commission is investigating high levels of short sales and purchases of “put” options, on the stocks of United Airlines and American Airlines in the three business days before the attacks…….
   [….]
   “the Interdisciplinary Center, a counter-terrorism think tank headed by former Israeli intelligence officers, has issued a report on Osama bin Laden’s finances, saying insiders profited by nearly $16 million dollars on transactions involving the two airlines and the investment banking firm Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center. And that report excluded other unusual trading activity involving insurance companies with significant exposure to damage claims resulting from the attacks.”
   […..]
   Michael C. Ruppert is a former Los Angeles Police Department field officer and narcotics investigator whom the CIA twice tried to recruit. In the course of investigations in the mid 1970s, he came across information the CIA was trading drugs in order to fund covert operations. He was forced out of the LAPD in November 1978 after being shot at and threatened for speaking out about CIA drug activity.

   At a Town Hall meeting on November 15, 1996, Ruppert publicly confronted then-CIA director John Deutsch with information about three specific CIA drug operations. The confrontation led to an invitation to appear before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, where he spoke and presented written evidence concerning the CIA’s infiltration of and illegal relationships with a number of police departments throughout the country.
   […..]
   “RUPPERT: I am absolutely convinced that the Central Intelligence Agency had complete and perfect foreknowledge of the attacks, down to date, time place and location, yes.”(of 9/11, - jordon adds)
   […..]
   RUPPERT: Well, …….. One of the primary functions of the Central Intelligence Agency by virtue of its long and very close history of relationships with Wall Street, I mean to the point where the current executive vice president of the New York Stock Exchange is a retired CIA general counsel, has had a mandate to track, monitor, all financial markets worldwide, to look for anomalous trades, indicative of either economic warfare, or insider currency trading or speculation which might affect the US Treasury, or , as in the case of the September 11 attacks, to look for trades which indicated foreknowledge of attacks like we saw.
   […..]
   RUPPERT………. The key evidence, as I heard you describing, was the trades themselves, the so-called put options and the short selling of American Airlines, United Airlines, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and a couple of reinsurance companies in Europe, which are just really off the maps. You wouldn’t need software to look at these trades and say, “Oh my God, this is directly connected to World Trade Center
   [,,,,,]
   RUPPERT: Herzliyah, International Policy Institute in Israel which tracks counter-terrorism, also tracks financial trading. That’s a clear cut sign about how closely the two are related. (jordons emphasis) And their reports are very clear that between September 6 and 7 the Chicago Board Options Exchange, CBOE, saw purchases of 4,744 put options on UAL, but only 396 call options. On September 10, the day before the attacks, 4,516 put options were placed on American Airlines, against only 748 calls, calls being bets that the stock will go up, puts being that the stock will go down. No similar trading in any other airlines occurred on the Chicago Exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday. That means that someone had advance knowledge that only the stocks of these two airlines would be adversely impacted. Had it just been an industry-wide slump, then you would have seen the same kind of activity on every airline, not just these two. But what is also very anomalous, very out of whack here, is the fact that the number of put options placed, that the level of these trades was up by 1,200 percent in the three days prior to the World Trade Center attacks.
   […..]
   RUPPERT: ……. First of all, it’s very important to note right up front that European investigators, who are tracking trades in the insurance companies, as well as the Israeli institute, have disclosed that the UAL put options were primarily held by Deutsche Bank-A.B. Brown. And its very important to note that the current Number Three at CIA, the Executive Director, a man by the name of A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard, was, until 1998, the chairman of A.B. Brown. The company went from being owned by Banker’s Trust to being owned by Deutsche Bank. But this is a man effectively running CIA, who came from the bank that handled the trades.
   […..]
   FAULKNER……. This is Bonnie Faulkner. Does the CIA itself invest in the stock market?

   RUPPERT: That’s unknown. What is known, and what was disclosed by hearings chaired by Senator Frank Church in 1976, is that the CIA was known and proven in the Congressional Record to operate proprietary companies, some of which do trade their stock on Wall Street. One of these, Southern Air Transport, excuse me, was at it during the Iran Contra years. (jordon emphasis) There are others: Evergreen Air, which may or may not be a proprietary, but has strong CIA connections; there are tons of these companies out there. It’s not known if CIA manipulates markets, although I really believe that they do.
   [……]
   RAMARES: Michael, Kellia Ramares again. You’ve laid out a scenario which would suggest that the CIA is so involved in Wall Street, they knew these trades were happening; they knew why. Why would the CIA let such a horrendous thing happen if they knew about it? All the loss of life, all the economic damage that we led off our show with that’s going to happen to everyday people, state and local governments, small investors, businesses. Why did they let it happen if they knew?
   […..]
   RUPPERT: Well, first of all, let’s look at history. I’m a great addict of the History Channel and all this year on “The Secrets of World War II,” one of their series, they have run maybe three, four, five times, a documentary showing clearly that Franklin Roosevelt had absolute knowledge that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor on December the seventh. Navy had broken the codes. That information was made Top Secret. And Roosevelt allowed the attacks to happen with the express purpose of bringing the US into World War II. So there is historical precedent for this. What I have been writing in “From the Wilderness” for more than two years, and we’ve been publishing four years now, was of huge economic inconsistencies, bubbles that were about to burst, about a pending collapse of the US economy that was going to happen anyway.

   Just two days before the attacks, I sent a bulletin to my subscribers saying there’s a monstrous derivatives bubble, to the tune of about 20 trillion dollars that’s about to burst. The price of gold has been manipulated, and the stock market’s ready to crash. And in fact, we had seen the Dow drop by almost 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. So, in point of fact, the economic crash was going to happen anyway. As a result of the attacks, now there are two benefits for the government: Number One, there is a convenient enemy upon whom to place the blame for the economic crash. And second, the legislation passed by Congress has unleashed a torrent of short term, and what are going to be extremely expensive, solutions which are keeping the US economic bubble inflated. This incentive: now it’s about 100 billion dollars so far I believe, between 40 for the military and another 60 in tax cuts, is robbing Peter to pay Paul. And I am absolutely convinced that Social Security is toast and this was their way to get their foot in the door on that.
   [……]
   RUPPERT;……. Everyday, there are more and more holes in all of the stories surrounding September 11, and this avoids people from looking at a broader agenda in Central Asia, which has to do with the drug trade and the oil. Bear in mind that Senator Carl Levin (D-Mich.) has documented that 300 billion dollars a year in drug money moves through the US banking system. And that was in a minority report to the Senate Banking Committee released this February, I believe it was. But that money is now an integral component to sustaining the bubble. And that’s why we’re seeing CIA operatives moving willy-nilly into Uzbekistan, to give us immediately another Laos, just like we had in the Vietnam era with Air America planes flying with tons of heroin to markets in the US and Western Europe. And that’s what’s coming out of this. Also, there’s a huge grab for oil and a major pipeline to run from Uzbekistan down to the Pakistani coast, which will weaken Russia’s grip on the region. And I believe, long term, the economic motive is to Balkanize Russia. But members of Congress now faced with this are kind of overwhelmed. There have been a few voices speaking up here and there to oppose civil rights legislation that was punitive, to address issues of the war-making powers. But Congress needs to find its legs and its lungs real quickly.
   Jordon comments, — well, that last bit didn’t quite happen, but you get the idea!!!

   Now Rasta, I’ve got to disagree with you on a major point.
   Yes, 9/11 had many Saudi participants.
   No, I don’t believe that Saudi Arabia was knowingly involved in 9/11. If they were, it would make no sense for so many high ranking Saudi representatives, including members of the bin Laden family, to be in the US at that time. This link casts a lot of doubt
   http://www.fromthewilderness.com/members/102506_possible_names.shtml

   This is not to say that they are guilty as hell in exporting wahhabi terrorists, and funding madrassahs and mosques, and training camps in the Paki areas etc.

   So….., to summarize at this point.
   I have demonstrated, through the above quotations, and through the links above, and in the previous blog, linked above, that the world of finance, offshore accounts, and nods-and-winks at senior gov’t/finance levels, join all the major US players, from gov’t, to industry, to finance, to actions taken at international levels.
   But it isn’t just US entities, it’s global. Everyone of wealth, and I mean real wealth, and/or power, is in the game. Those outside the game are eliminated. Ruthlessly.

   In my previous blog (linked above), I said

   “Lets face it, your president, and your commander in chief, by invading Iraq, changing regime, and attempting a land grab for oil, whatever the subsidiary motives, could be argued to have been acting in the best interests of the American nation in particular, and the western civilisation in general.”
   This was an attempt to view the invasion of Iraq in another light, which no-one seemed to pick up on.

   Later on in the same blog, I wrote

   “Perhaps we should call Dubyas moves to grab oil real estate totally ham-fisted, and also ask, surely there was/is, a more subtly way, - perhaps involving share holdings, proxies, etc that would have achieved the same ends, control, without all the fighting.”

   Now this statement was designed to illustrate the way that Putin, and the Chinese are actively pursuing their own, (state and personal) interests in the signing of contracts in Africa, and East Asia, for the future supply of raw materials and energy. These are STATE OWNED AND OPERATED, “companies”, which can negotiate in different ways to a “company” as is understood by western capitalism. It can offer incentives, - roads, railways, health services, education services, etc, and bribes, as ways of securing contracts, which western companies cannot. (Incidently, the US investigations into the UK company, BAE, in the Yamamah deals (arms) with Saudi Arabia bribes should not look too closely, that would embarrass Langley, Virginia, as it was there that the details were hatched)(ain’t it all bullshit??)
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Yamamah
   I’ll highlight one of the para’s from Wiki
   In December 2005 the governments of the UK and Saudi Arabia signed an “Understanding Document” which involved the sale of Typhoon aircraft to replace RSAF Tornados and other aircraft. Although no details were released, reports suggested the deal involved the supply of 72 aircraft. On 18 August 2006 a contract was signed for 72 aircraft. The aircraft cost approximately £5.2 billion, however the full weapons system is expected to cost approximately £10 billion. [9] The fact that the deal mirrors the conditions of the previous Al Yamamah contracts suggests that it is in effect Al Yamamah III (i.e. BAE the contractor, secrecy over contract details and payment in oil via the UK government).
   (The original deals between Europe and islamic countries that created Eurabia, involved immigration and oil)
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/820515.stm

   I mentioned some of the ways that capital is moving around the world in my previous post.

   China is using its vast foreign currency reserves to invest in western assets through Private equity companies.(It will be a fool if it limits its exposure to one company as at present)

   There is a new realism moving around the globe, and it is in all our interests to recognise it for what it is.

   It is obvious that Europe/EU has deceived its own population, and taken sides with (principally) Saudi Arabia, but the Arab world in general, in exchange for oil. Eurabia is the result, with unrestricted Islamic immigration, no integration required, and the eventual surrender of the Western European culture.
   Israel will be sacrificed Only the timetable is in doubt..
   Honest Reporting is bravely detailing the failure of the UN, the EU, the US, and MSM, to report the true picture, without realising the change in the global game plan, mainly inspired by the Eurinals left wing, and demented US democrats, who seem to have lost the will to confront terrorism, either at home or abroad.
   http://www.honestreporting.com/

   The change in the US stance became strikingly obvious last summer, when Israel failed to hammer Hezbullah in the Lebanon bash, but was anticipated long before that due to knowledge of the above affiliations of money/oil/power.

   Significantly Russia is resisting US/EU moves at the UN to give Kosovo independence. The “tenc” link supplied by dizzy confirms statements from personal friends who served over there expressing “rank disgust” with the Islamic/UN forces. I reserve my praise for dealing with Islamic fundamentalists for Russia and China!!

   Similarly in Lebanon, UN resolution 1701 has never been implemented by the UN forces.

   It is obvious that sanctions will not work rapidly enough to stop the Iranian nuclear achievement. The world is therefor faced with a choice. Israel may not agree with that choice. That will be testing time!!!

   The EU, aka Eurabia, is no longer a democracy, and neither are any of the members states, since most of the legislation/initiatives/positions ooze from the rectums of the non-elected eurinal bureaucracy in Brussels. Protests to the game-plan are almost non-existent due to a compliant, recumbent, criminally lazy press, battered by spin and lies at all levels. The protest time/ train has left the station, and changing the direction at this late stage is almost impossible.

   The US may still resemble a democracy. Can she adapt to a Chinese/Russian type of capitalism in the race for raw materials and energy, or will she falter and slide?

   Both sides have cannon-fodder in this new realism. The jihadis, and the western armies. The man in the western street, paying his taxes, - and in the east too. They are all the same, - manipulated fools. “ Joey-Beercan” is the same the world over, manipulated and denied the knowledge of
   a) That manipulation, and
   b) The knowledge/education that would free him from that manipulation.
   And the media goes along with it all. Well, it is in their own interests.

   Now, on the subject of manipulation, this is interesting:-

   “July 19, 2007: While Saudi Arabia is not happy with how Shia Arabs have taken control of Iraq, and appear able to hold on to it, they are pleased with how the fighting in Iraq has greatly depleted the number of al Qaeda backers inside Saudi Arabia. Over 5,000 Saudi Islamic radicals are believed to have died in Iraq so far. For the last four years, up to half the suicide bombers have been Saudis, and about half the 135 foreigners currently held in U.S. military prisons over there, are Saudis. Currently, American intelligence believes about 45 percent of the foreign fighters (less than ten percent of all terrorists there) are Saudis. The next largest group is Syrians and Lebanese (15 percent), followed by North Africans (10 percent). The other 30 percent are from all over, including Europe.

   The Saudis themselves are coy about how all those Saudi Islamic radicals got into Iraq. The Saudi border with Iraq is heavily patrolled, and not easy to get across, no matter which direction you are going. But the Saudis have refused calls to crack down on their young men going to Syria or Jordan, and crossing from there into Iraq.”

   “This is not the first time that the Saudis have been accused of using a foreign war to drain off the radicals. A friend of mine with extremely deep contacts in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, says that during the Gulf War the Saudis quite consciously concentrated “the beards” in front line units in the unspoken hope that Saddam’s army would kill a lot of them.”

   And I particularly liked this comment
   “Maybe America should charge the UN for services rendered and not the other way around. It provides global security behind which the free-riders of Europe can pretend to defend themselves with barricades of treaties. It takes out the trash for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and employs everyone who the elites of Mexico find no use for.” (smile)

   Joey beercan is the same on either side of the divide, however you want to cut the divide.

   The elite will always seek personal aggrandisement alignment with their political objectives.

   The new realism is the oldest realism, MONEY, and the knowledge of global moves is reflected first in the statements of intent, the movement of moneys, and the watchers are the executives of the major banks/brokers/equity capitalists. Etc. They are the “Knowledge Barons.” – witness the persons recruited to their ranks.

   Patriotism, Nationalism, loyalty to country, is all past. Non of these are displayed by elected leaders in their actions. Why should the electorate?

   Every individual, on recognising this new realism owes it to themselves and family to secure their own future, quietly and tenaciously. This does not mean we should cease the fight against islam and its sand fleas, but I believe the die is cast, and the time for objections is fast expiring.. There have been enough warning books written, and enough terrorist atrocities, but the politicians and MSM seem oblivious, or they appease.

   The elite will always second guess the electorate by anticipating opinion polls. By the time that pressure for a particular reform reaches boiling point, a new initiative to continue the manipulation will be in operation, and will continue the personal aggrandisement of the elite.

4. jordon Says:
   July 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 am

   Rasta, I’ve just sent a long one.
   (Sorry about the length, but I had to vent.)
   I guess it will go to post heaven.
   Keep an eye open for it will you please?
   Many thanks.
   j

5. Right Truth Says:
   July 22nd, 2007 at 3:43 am

   Sunday Reading List July 22, 2007…

   It’s Sunday morning again. Hug your honey, grab a cup of coffee or tea, and start reading: If you can only read one article today, read: Bush Lied, People Died, By: Carolyn Hileman at The Land of the Free.net. It’s…

6. jordon Says:
   July 22nd, 2007 at 8:33 am

   And then read the link at the foot of Debbies article at Land of the Free
   http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2006/06/22/the-old-liberal-mind-trick-%e2%80%9cthese-aren%e2%80%99t-the-wmd%e2%80%99s-you-are-looking-for%e2%80%9d/

7. Dizzy Says:
   July 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm

   Well done jordan you did do the math, we are talking New World Order and the west will adapt to a Russian and Chinese form of Capitalism because it suits the elites, having a Marxist ethos that seperates us all into either owners or workers. Multi nationals and the state being one and the same entity. The queen of a human ant colony that everyone else works to feed.
   Left and Right politics are just feet on the same body marching us all in the same direction, feigning democracy but as you say the best we can do is support causes that oppose Islam.

8. jordon Says:
   July 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pm

   It is difficult in history to find any civilization that asks as much of others as does the contemporary Middle East—and yet so little of itself. If I were to sum up the collective mentality of the current Arab Middle East—predicated almost entirely on the patriarchal sense of lost “honor” and the rational calculation to murder appeasing liberals and appease murdering authoritarians— it would run something like the following:

   (1) We will pump oil at $3 and must sell it over $60 — and still blame you for stealing our natural treasure.

   (2) We will damn your culture and politics, but expect our own to immigrate in the thousands to your shores; upon arrival any attempt to integrate Muslim immigrants into Western pluralistic society will be seen as Islamaphobic

   (3) Send us your material goods, whether machine tools, I-pods, or antibiotics. We desperately want them, but will neither make the necessary changes in our own statist, authoritarian, religiously intolerant, tribal, and patriarchal culture to allow us to produce them ourselves, nor will show any appreciation for the genius of others who can do what we cannot.

   (4) We ostensibly wish you to stop the killing of Muslims by ourselves and others—Milosevic murdering Kosovars, Saddam destroying Kuwaitis, Kurds, and Shiites, Russians killing Afghans and Chechnyans — but should you concretely attempt to do so, we will immediately consider your intervention far worse than the mayhem caused by others or ourselves.

   (5) Any indigenous failure in the Arab Middle East will eventually be blamed on the United States or Israel.

   (6) Your own sense of multiculturalism must serve as an apology for our own violent pathologies, that can only be seen as different from, never worse than, your own culture.

   (7) We must at all times talk of anti-Americanism and why we want you out of the Middle East; you must never become anti-Arab or anti-Muslim, much less close your borders to our immigrants and students.

   (8) We will tolerate and often defend those who burn churches, ethnically cleanse Jews from our cities, behead priests, kill nuns, and shoot infidels as the necessary, if sometimes regrettable, efforts of our more zealous to defend Islam. But if any free spirit in the West satirizes Islam, we will immediately demand that Western governments condemn such blasphemy — or else!

   (9) Material aid—billions to Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, or the Palestinians — is our entitlement. Any attempt to curtail it is seen as an assault on the Arab nation.

   (10) We are deathly afraid of nuclear Russia, China, and India who have little tolerance for either Islamism or terrorism, and so will ignore their felonies, while killing you for your misdemeanors.

   If you have to have a geopolitical adversary, we should be grateful that we have been blessed with such an obviously incoherent and incompetent one. It ought to be a huge advantage. Unfortunately, huge numbers of Westerners — especially those schooled in our universities in the last thirty years and now populating the chattering classes — are determined to cede that advantage. How? By declaring that it would be immoral to use the vast array of cultural, social, economic, political and military tools at our disposal for geopolitical gain against the Arab Muslims of the Middle East.

9. jordon Says:
   July 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pm

   Trepidation
   http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTE3ZGZmMGIyZGM2YzQyZTlkNmNlNjRmMmRkOGJmZGE=

10. Rastaman Says:
    July 22nd, 2007 at 5:47 pm

    Nice list, Jordon. The 10 Commandments of Islam?

11. jordon Says:
    July 22nd, 2007 at 6:17 pm

    Big business, Politicians, MSM, tie the knot.
    http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2782514.ece

12. jordon Says:
    July 22nd, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    Thanks, Rasta.
    Yeah, you could call it that!

13. jordon Says:
    July 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    Hey, Rastaman.
    Hope you didn’t miss this one.
    Could be interesting, but additional news seems sparse.
    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070713/68933469.html

14. Rastaman Says:
    July 22nd, 2007 at 8:10 pm

    I never have trusted Henry Kissinger. It was never clear how he came to have such power in the Nixon administration and it’s not clear now why he still occupies a position of importance long after Nixon is gone. No doubt there’s reasons and I’m just lacking some knowledge, it’s just always seemed odd to me.

    That’s an interesting link but I confess that I limit my blogging almost entirely to the Islam problem and directly related issues such as open borders that allow them entry. There’s too much going on in the world to deal with all of it. If you find a connection between Putin and Kissingers machinations and Islam, however, kindly do let me in on it.

15. jordon Says:
    July 22nd, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    Apparently in April of this year, Putin met with Kissinger and Primakov, and requested they set up a discussion group.

    I cannot find its objectives.

    The panel is called “Russia-USA: A Look Into the Future,” and is led by former U.S. Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger and former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov.

    Putin declined to comment on the first Moscow session, but said it was a successful beginning to a series of high-level meetings.

    The next meeting is scheduled for mid-December in Washington, D.C.,” where the panelists will meet with President George W. Bush.

    The U.S. team includes former Secretary of State George Schultz; former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin; former Special Representative for Arms Control, Nonproliferation and Disarmament Ambassador Thomas Graham, Jr.; former Senator Sam Nunn; and Chevron Chairman and Chief Executive Officer David O’Reilly.

    Apart from Primakov, the Russian team includes Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov; former Ambassador to the U.S. Yuly Vorontsov; Deputy Board Chairman of UES Russia Leonid Drachevsky; UC Rusal Deputy Chief Executive Officer Alexander Livshits, former Soviet Armed Forces Chief of Staff Mikhail Moiseyev, and Viktor Kremenyuk.

    Looking at the US bipartisan team members:-
    Chevron Chairman and Chief Executive Officer David O’Reilly, says that oil is on the agenda.
    Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin says that International Finance/Currency Valuations/IMF/World Bank, will probably be on the Agenda.
    Former Special Representative for Arms Control, Nonproliferation and Disarmament Ambassador Thomas Graham, - well his previous titles say it all!
    And Senator Sam Nunn, is a leading advocate of nuclear nonproliferation.
    (And Russia does seem to be proliferating)

    On the Russian side:-
    Viktor Kremenyuk, is deputy head of the USA and Canada Institute;
    The other titles are mostly self explanatory.

    Very significantly,
    In March of this year, speaking to international press, Kissinger noted that Putin “snipes at American conduct and policies,” while the U.S. pursues “policies on Russia’s borders that Moscow and many Russians consider highly provocative.”

    But, he warned, both face the threat of militant Islam and the spread of nuclear weapons, and “neither side can want or, indeed, afford a new Cold War.”

    That comment by Kissinger could well have been the precursor to Putins April request to Kissinger and Primakov to set up “Russia-USA: A Look Into the Future,” forum.

    Since Iran (proliferation and nuclear) is certainly on the agenda, and Militant Islam is probably also on the agenda too, this may be worth watching.

16. Rastaman Says:
    July 23rd, 2007 at 3:06 am

    Indeed. Thanks, Jordon. Good input. Russia has been pretty silent on the Islam issue. This is strange since the Russians always get noisy about virtually any threat, real or imagined, and the muslims certainly are as much a threat to Russia as they are to the rest of us. This may be because of business dealings with muslims and they don’t want to upset them.

    There is one thing… muslims know that the Russians won’t hesitate to murder their families if they mess with the Russians. The Russians are far more reactive in retaliating when they’re messed with than we are. They proved this in Lebanon years ago. So perhaps they don’t need to rattle their sabers at the muzzies.

17. Michael Says:
    August 27th, 2007 at 9:24 am

    Bullies
    _____

    Nigel Smith
    Mr Chisem (Teacher)
    Mrs Consentine (Teacher)
    Mrs Jennifer Scarf (Staff Of Boarding)
    Russell Powell
    Scott Kidd
    Michelle Quinn
    Mr Webley (The Headmaster)

    They may look and act normal but they went to a Special Needs School one of them who stayed at Boarders next door to the School called
    Michelle Quinn began boarding there cause of needing 24 hours cause her parents couldn’t provide it for her all the time and her dad went to War.
    Michelle Quinn is originally from Germany.

    The names listed in this message above have deluded problems doesn’t show but it’s in them.

    Just thought I better warn you about them cause they pretend they don’t have any problems and they cover it up. Now that’s a conspiracy.

    He! He!

18. Michael Says:
    August 27th, 2007 at 9:59 am

    Russell Powell use to board at the Special Needs School there too and he use to say ’cause’ all the time like he had stutter problems.

    Scott Kidd too use to Board at the same School and he is gay cause he asked me to have sex with him when he wanted some plain paper from and never got what he wanted still asked for sex from me after and he got that by force against will on me.

    Then he goes and get’s me into trouble with the Headmaster the next day for what he asked from me.

    Mrs Consentine use to make it out as though I was sick or unwell all the time when someoen else throwed up or was bullying me in class.

    Mrs Jennifer Scarf use to compare to someone else there cause of someone who use to be sick when Mrs Scarf thought she likes been like that and thinks I do when I get sick but not on purpose.

    That’s why I believe the above names Nigel Smith, Mr Chisem,
    Mrs Consentine, Mrs Jennifer Scarf, Russell Powell, Scott Kidd and
    Michelle Quinn are bullies.

    Makes me believe they are deluded when they get like that cause they are either ill retards or mental deluded people in that Special Needs School.

    If they say there not then they lie.

    Ha! Ha!

19. Michael Says:
    August 27th, 2007 at 10:07 am

    THE ADULT YEARS
    _______________

    Russell Powell drives a Car now with Michelle Quinn sits in the back. That’s how they treat each other either when adults.

    Michelle Quinn use to live in Bradford Heaton No. 7 UK

    Scott Kidd went to another School then yet I wasn’t allowed to leave. Don’t know why I wasn’t allowed to leave School when he could.

    Mr Webley has left been Headmaster.

    That’s not fair.

20. Rastaman Says:
    August 27th, 2007 at 10:52 am

    I think you’ve found the wrong venue for your complaints, Michael. Why don’t you find a nice blog about school bullies and post your stuff there, okay?

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